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Tue, 2011-09-27 12:35
This is how the auctioning will work.
On this page you find a list of all apartments and houses: http://nwnhaven.com/wiki/haven-real-estate
Take a look at the last column of the table: Index
This is the price index.
Starting this weekend, I will open the first auction. Every bid is for one index. The winner can select any apartment of house s/he likes and pays bid multiplied by the index.
E.g. with highest bid is 20k:
- Apartment Black Pearl 1 => Index 18 = 360k
- Apartment End of the World 2a => Index 1 = 20k
- House Sailor's Narrow 5 => Index 156 = 3120k
The first auction will run for 7 days. After that the next auction starts. One apartment sold a week.
This give you a lot of options to consider:
- If you want to pick first, you might have to pay more.
- If you choose to wait and hope for a cheaper price next week, with the risk that the apartment might be gone already.
- If you run low on coins, you can choose to stop or go for an apartment with a lower price index.
Each player may own up to two apartments. Either on two different characters or on the same.
Each apartment or house can have two players listed as owner. If both don't play for 3 months then the apartment will be reclaimed.
Selling an apartment to another person costs a transaction fee of 10%. The house price will be estimated by the last winning index price. This is a player to player transaction and can be done any time. It's not tied to the weekly auction.
Existing home owners can turn their old apartment in as part of the payment. They will just pay the difference of the index plus a 10% fee for the handling of the old apartment.
Please feel free to post feedback and questions in this thread.
On this page you find a list of all apartments and houses: http://nwnhaven.com/wiki/haven-real-estate
Take a look at the last column of the table: Index
This is the price index.
Starting this weekend, I will open the first auction. Every bid is for one index. The winner can select any apartment of house s/he likes and pays bid multiplied by the index.
E.g. with highest bid is 20k:
- Apartment Black Pearl 1 => Index 18 = 360k
- Apartment End of the World 2a => Index 1 = 20k
- House Sailor's Narrow 5 => Index 156 = 3120k
The first auction will run for 7 days. After that the next auction starts. One apartment sold a week.
This give you a lot of options to consider:
- If you want to pick first, you might have to pay more.
- If you choose to wait and hope for a cheaper price next week, with the risk that the apartment might be gone already.
- If you run low on coins, you can choose to stop or go for an apartment with a lower price index.
Each player may own up to two apartments. Either on two different characters or on the same.
Each apartment or house can have two players listed as owner. If both don't play for 3 months then the apartment will be reclaimed.
Selling an apartment to another person costs a transaction fee of 10%. The house price will be estimated by the last winning index price. This is a player to player transaction and can be done any time. It's not tied to the weekly auction.
Existing home owners can turn their old apartment in as part of the payment. They will just pay the difference of the index plus a 10% fee for the handling of the old apartment.
Please feel free to post feedback and questions in this thread.
Tue, 2011-09-27 13:09
#1
I'll be honest, this totally confuses me.
Are you saying that you'll go...
"Right....selling an index 8 apartment this week"
And then people will put their bid in of say 10k and if they win they pay 8 x 10k?
Are you saying that you'll go...
"Right....selling an index 8 apartment this week"
And then people will put their bid in of say 10k and if they win they pay 8 x 10k?
Tue, 2011-09-27 13:31
#2
So far so good...
If I understand this correctly the bid goes independent of which appartment/house will be chosen by the highest bidder in the end and depending on what s/he can afford they might pick a higher or lower index choice... correct?
- K.
If I understand this correctly the bid goes independent of which appartment/house will be chosen by the highest bidder in the end and depending on what s/he can afford they might pick a higher or lower index choice... correct?
- K.
Tue, 2011-09-27 14:03
#3
Kiru is correct.
If you win with 100g per index, then you can choose any apartment you want (if it's free!) to buy, as long as you can afford it.
So you will never know which apartment gets bought at the end of the week.
Example:
Richie Rich has 4.5 million and tries to buy a index 150 property. So he bids 30k per index.
At the same time, someone else with only 150k tries to get a index 4 apartment and bids 35k for it.
Now Richie Rich would have to bid 36k and therefore pay 5.4 millions for the 150 propery, more than he has. So either he quits and waits for next week or he changes to a property with a lower index.
If you win with 100g per index, then you can choose any apartment you want (if it's free!) to buy, as long as you can afford it.
So you will never know which apartment gets bought at the end of the week.
Example:
Richie Rich has 4.5 million and tries to buy a index 150 property. So he bids 30k per index.
At the same time, someone else with only 150k tries to get a index 4 apartment and bids 35k for it.
Now Richie Rich would have to bid 36k and therefore pay 5.4 millions for the 150 propery, more than he has. So either he quits and waits for next week or he changes to a property with a lower index.
Tue, 2011-09-27 14:30
#4
So index isn't specified at time of bidding right? You're simply bidding on how much you are going to pay per index. Right?
Tue, 2011-09-27 14:56
#5
Seems a tad too complicated, but I get it.
However, I'd say keep it to ONE appartment/house per player for now, otherwise more established players, or players who grind their dear souls out all day long get to pick twice before newer players even get a chance to chime up. Considering how many of us have done without even one so far, we'll all be grateful and happy for and with one for the time being. Can always open them up for more than one per player at a later point, especially seeing as there's only going to be one auction a week. Course people can have an appartment/house, and bid on a new one, but in that case they should free the old one for players without. There's only so many avaiable after all, we should at least attempt to keep them evenly spread amongst a rather large player base.
However, I'd say keep it to ONE appartment/house per player for now, otherwise more established players, or players who grind their dear souls out all day long get to pick twice before newer players even get a chance to chime up. Considering how many of us have done without even one so far, we'll all be grateful and happy for and with one for the time being. Can always open them up for more than one per player at a later point, especially seeing as there's only going to be one auction a week. Course people can have an appartment/house, and bid on a new one, but in that case they should free the old one for players without. There's only so many avaiable after all, we should at least attempt to keep them evenly spread amongst a rather large player base.
Tue, 2011-09-27 19:17
#6
Seems overly complicated. My suggestion is fixed prices at a first-come-first-serve basis like it was in the past, so there aren't overly complicated bidding wars between people with nothing better to do than farm gold and people who spend their time RPing and actually adding to the server's atmosphere. Rewarding gold farming isn't my style, obviously.
I just ask that it be taken into account that there are a lot of people with a lot of money. If nothing else, they should be made to pay extra for a house in order to eliminate excess gold in the economy. Right now, there are zero gold dumps as nobody buys from merchants, so the gold pools that some players have is ridiculous, compared to players that have only been with us for a month or two (but are equally as dedicated to enjoying the server and should have just as much chance as anyone else).
I just ask that it be taken into account that there are a lot of people with a lot of money. If nothing else, they should be made to pay extra for a house in order to eliminate excess gold in the economy. Right now, there are zero gold dumps as nobody buys from merchants, so the gold pools that some players have is ridiculous, compared to players that have only been with us for a month or two (but are equally as dedicated to enjoying the server and should have just as much chance as anyone else).
Tue, 2011-09-27 19:57
#7
RayneDancer wrote:
fixed prices at a first-come-first-serve basis like it was in the past so there aren't ..... bidding wars
RayneDancer wrote:
they should be made to pay extra for a house in order to eliminate excess gold in the economy.
So which is it Rayne? You can't have it both ways; never mind the "people who have a lot of gold don't contribute to RP" nonsense.
Fal has lots of gold, not one gold piece of which was from farming, and I'm certain he contributes a shit ton of RP to the server.
You complain about a lack of gold dumps in one sentence, and then gripe about a system that does precisely that in the next.
Regardless, I'm pretty sure this wasn't intended by the DM to solicit feedback. They are simply trying to implement something we’ve requested.
Is it any wonder why things like this haven’t been done in so long?
Gah.
Tue, 2011-09-27 20:16
#8
Feedback and discussion was requested on the other Forum, Falerin, and I stand by my statement 100%. Not to sound too harsh, but I don't really take kindly to people questioning things that I say, as though they don't make sense. They do, it's just that you don't like what I have to say because you feel that it pertained to you. Does it? I never said it did, or named any names of people that I felt should specifically be fingered as not really contributing to the server. If I touched an insecure nerve, don't take it personally.
Tue, 2011-09-27 20:37
#9
You both have valid points, including the "is it any wonder why things like this haven't been done in so long"
I am happy to see Shairin taking this up. I can't stand the headaches involved.
Rayne you have valid points even though they seemingly contradict each other. This is why I used to do some apartments with fixed first come first served pricing, and the more luxurious ones as an auction.
I think Shairin's system is worth a try as well. In addition to all the hardwork of cataloging all the properties and owners she's assigned relative values. It also has the advantage of easing in to things, instead of burning out the DM with a clamor for first come first served apartments with people complaining about the availabilities of said DMs and the usual cries of favoritism, even if the apartments are sold to the DMs arch-nemisis.
With the current pent up demand I think a few auctions to start off is an excellent way to reintroduce these. We can think about mixing it up later, when the pressure is off a bit.
- Bar
I am happy to see Shairin taking this up. I can't stand the headaches involved.
Rayne you have valid points even though they seemingly contradict each other. This is why I used to do some apartments with fixed first come first served pricing, and the more luxurious ones as an auction.
I think Shairin's system is worth a try as well. In addition to all the hardwork of cataloging all the properties and owners she's assigned relative values. It also has the advantage of easing in to things, instead of burning out the DM with a clamor for first come first served apartments with people complaining about the availabilities of said DMs and the usual cries of favoritism, even if the apartments are sold to the DMs arch-nemisis.
With the current pent up demand I think a few auctions to start off is an excellent way to reintroduce these. We can think about mixing it up later, when the pressure is off a bit.
- Bar
Tue, 2011-09-27 20:55
#10
Well, that sounds fair enough. 
My concern is simply that I'd like to see newer players have a chance at things as well.
My concern is simply that I'd like to see newer players have a chance at things as well.
Tue, 2011-09-27 21:09
#11
I am curious as to what determines the index value of an apartment.
Wed, 2011-09-28 00:03
#12
Bar has a point for sure, it's likely going to be a headache. That's why I stand firm on my point that the "two appartments allowed per player" thing should be removed for now at least. That one is sure to causing bitching and cries of unfair and favoritism IMO. If people already won once, and got an appartment/house, it would sure be kind of jerkish of them to complain they can't have another one while other players have been waiting for months, especially if we consider the "one auction per week" rule.
Wed, 2011-09-28 00:35
#13
As rarely as I like to admit this in public.... 
I agree with Dragon. Just teasing on the agreeing in public thing....honest >.>
I do get that some people have multiple characters and want accommodation for all of them but it is a finite resource and as such the one per player makes more sense to reduce the bitching and allow more to have the chance at accommodation.
There will always be bitching of course, it's the nature of the beast so to speak but Bar touched on a very important thing....
Why do you think it has taken so very long for a DM to pick this up again.....Partly it's all the bitching so if your thinking of bitching at any point in this process take a deep breath and remember no one pays Shairin, she is being nice and she can stop doing it any time she wants!
I agree with Dragon. Just teasing on the agreeing in public thing....honest >.>
I do get that some people have multiple characters and want accommodation for all of them but it is a finite resource and as such the one per player makes more sense to reduce the bitching and allow more to have the chance at accommodation.
There will always be bitching of course, it's the nature of the beast so to speak but Bar touched on a very important thing....
Why do you think it has taken so very long for a DM to pick this up again.....Partly it's all the bitching so if your thinking of bitching at any point in this process take a deep breath and remember no one pays Shairin, she is being nice and she can stop doing it any time she wants!
Wed, 2011-09-28 01:58
#14
Ohhh....Daft question.
Does the rule on property not being able to own property remain?
That would mean slaves/servants can't buy or be listed as co-owner and IMHO needs to be made clear now before the auctioning starts!
Does the rule on property not being able to own property remain?
That would mean slaves/servants can't buy or be listed as co-owner and IMHO needs to be made clear now before the auctioning starts!
Wed, 2011-09-28 10:03
#15
Thanks for all the work Shairin!
Wed, 2011-09-28 11:40
#16
I am not sure how the index works, but it seems to me it is link with the size of the flat, with the extras it has(kitchen, bath, wall thickness, etc) and perhaps with the location as well.
I see now why this is a huge issue, after all I am a new player, but if I just read how many registered names has and how many flats...
Anyhow! If one doesn't get a flat go clubbing! Forced March, Sensual Services, and perhaps there will be more to come
I see now why this is a huge issue, after all I am a new player, but if I just read how many registered names has and how many flats...
Anyhow! If one doesn't get a flat go clubbing! Forced March, Sensual Services, and perhaps there will be more to come
Wed, 2011-09-28 13:21
#17
Quote:
Does the rule on property not being able to own property remain?
Yes, of course! I didn't thought it necessary to mention.
For the formula: index = tile * (rooms + 2 if wall is thick + 1 for bath + 1 for fireplace + 1 for kitchen)
@Dragon & Marie: True, but what to do with those already owning two? force them to give one up? I was considering to say 2 per player but 1 per character. But it's not far for those focusing on one single character. So they can have up to two. I was thinking about adding 50% to the index for everyone already owning a house, so new home owner get a discount.
Yes, it is a slightly complex formula but hardly difficult. But it's the only way to make it a fair, competitive auction.
Wed, 2011-09-28 15:36
#18
Force them to give it up, no. This is sort of like old gear, some have it, some will never get it. Those who already have two should keep them IF they regularly use them. But they can't get another one then of course. The rest who only has one, or no, appartment so far should go with the "one per character" rule. Not completely fair, but more fair and less bitching than if one player can get two appartments, and seeing how they are fairly limited, 20 others struggle to get one.
Wed, 2011-09-28 16:16
#19
I agree with Dragonpen in this. I do find it acceptable for the old players who already have two to keep them if they use them and let the rest of us try to get one per player. After all there will be more flats and houses per player in this way and won't turn the old players away.
Fri, 2011-09-30 03:00
#20
Which day and approximate time will the first auction be held? Also...where is Sailor's Narrow located? I dont recall seeing that.
Fri, 2011-09-30 12:35
#21
Quote:
The first auction will run for 7 days.
First post of this thread. The day will be the one lasting from one weekend to the next. I'll probably announce the first auction somewhen between tomorrow and the day after.
The Sailor's Narrow is behind the Tapper's Harker Inn.
Sat, 2011-10-01 05:41
#22
I agree with Dragonpen as well.
If an active player already has two apartments/houses and they use them, then they should be grandfathered.
The purchase of new apts/houses should be limited to ONE per PLAYER ACCOUNT.
If an active player already has two apartments/houses and they use them, then they should be grandfathered.
The purchase of new apts/houses should be limited to ONE per PLAYER ACCOUNT.
Sat, 2011-10-01 09:45
#23
Quote:
The purchase of new apts/houses should be limited to ONE per PLAYER ACCOUNT.
No, per player / human being! There are players having multiple player accounts. I'm aware of that and will check before allowing anyone to buy a second apartment.
Sat, 2011-10-01 19:48
#24
Shairin - Thanks for taking up this thankless task.
Having read the posts in this thread, I see both your and Dragonpen's points.
Players who focus on single players, should have a chance at something better than those of us who are character sluts.
Perhaps a graduated system of apartments, with a one per player Dragonpen stated... Grandfathered in...
What do I mean?
Simply this. Your first apartment should, like in real life, be a studio with the bare necessities... Like a crapper down the hall, one room that is bedroom, living room and kitchen.
Then, when you have enough saved to move up, you purchase a nicer one bed with bath apartmen at auction, and upon receipt of the lease, your old apartment goes up for auction.
Then, when you have saved enough, and one comes open (Due to player retirement or abandonement), you can bid on a even nicer one, and same rules as above.
Now, due to the one per player rule, you could allow those of us with multiple characters, to have up to three characters on the lease, sharing the apartment. If we decide to retire a character, and wish to transfer that characters lease to another character of ours, great. We can do so by contact the DM's through the forums to schedule a time t transfer the lease, with appropriate legal fees to do so.
This could also open the possibility of several characters (Up to three) being roommates and sharing an apartment, with all the problems that entails.
Finally, for those old characters with two apartments, perhaps introduing a new series of luxury apartsments for them to trade up to, putting both their old ones on auction, could be arranged. Ala Conn's place.
Just some ideas to throw out, that address both Dragonpen's concerns and Shairin's and others.
Having read the posts in this thread, I see both your and Dragonpen's points.
Players who focus on single players, should have a chance at something better than those of us who are character sluts.
Perhaps a graduated system of apartments, with a one per player Dragonpen stated... Grandfathered in...
What do I mean?
Simply this. Your first apartment should, like in real life, be a studio with the bare necessities... Like a crapper down the hall, one room that is bedroom, living room and kitchen.
Then, when you have enough saved to move up, you purchase a nicer one bed with bath apartmen at auction, and upon receipt of the lease, your old apartment goes up for auction.
Then, when you have saved enough, and one comes open (Due to player retirement or abandonement), you can bid on a even nicer one, and same rules as above.
Now, due to the one per player rule, you could allow those of us with multiple characters, to have up to three characters on the lease, sharing the apartment. If we decide to retire a character, and wish to transfer that characters lease to another character of ours, great. We can do so by contact the DM's through the forums to schedule a time t transfer the lease, with appropriate legal fees to do so.
This could also open the possibility of several characters (Up to three) being roommates and sharing an apartment, with all the problems that entails.
Finally, for those old characters with two apartments, perhaps introduing a new series of luxury apartsments for them to trade up to, putting both their old ones on auction, could be arranged. Ala Conn's place.
Just some ideas to throw out, that address both Dragonpen's concerns and Shairin's and others.
Sat, 2011-10-01 22:08
#25
I just noticed... you're doing one apartment each week? You realize there's 79 apartments? That's more than a year of bidding. Maybe it should be each couple days or somethin'. Otherwise, this is going to take a while. 
Sun, 2011-10-02 02:56
#26
@smeghead: correct, and after that "more than a year" some players probably left and we have even more to sell. The idea it to have always apartment available. If there are more apartments than players, the price gets cheaper and if the apartments get rare, the price raises, like RL.
@Cyber Troll: Having your own character live together? Never, that's self gifting in a way. If you want to do shared flat / apartment, by all means, do it! Get together with 4 or 5 other players and pool your coins to buy a house. There can only be two owners on the paper, so choose your landlords/-ladies carefully though. Your other characters can join a shared flat with someone else.
@Cyber Troll: Having your own character live together? Never, that's self gifting in a way. If you want to do shared flat / apartment, by all means, do it! Get together with 4 or 5 other players and pool your coins to buy a house. There can only be two owners on the paper, so choose your landlords/-ladies carefully though. Your other characters can join a shared flat with someone else.
Sun, 2011-10-02 06:23
#27
shairin wrote:
Quote:The purchase of new apts/houses should be limited to ONE per PLAYER ACCOUNT.
No, per player / human being! There are players having multiple player accounts. I'm aware of that and will check before allowing anyone to buy a second apartment.
Yeah, this is what I was trying to say. One per human being, lol.
But this is not what it says in your rules. It says: "Each player may own up to two apartments. Either on two different characters or on the same."
Thanks!
Sun, 2011-10-02 18:28
#28
shairin@Cyber Troll: Having your own character live together? Never, that's self gifting in a way. If you want to do shared flat / apartment, by all means, do it! Get together with 4 or 5 other players and pool your coins to buy a house. There can only be two owners on the paper, so choose your landlords/-ladies carefully though. Your other characters can join a shared flat with someone else.[/quote wrote:
I understand that, but is it really self gifting? What intrinsic value to have a place to "Sleep" or entertain others really have. Especially when you can do the same at the various inn rooms free of charge?
If there was an actual real in game advantage to having an apartment, ie personal storage not available in the bank/crafter banker/vault, or healing with rest (Hard Core rules worlds and such), then I could see the point.
But really, there is nothing you get, other than to claim you have your own apartment. All my characters have done quite well without an apartment for all the years I have been here. Shared envy by those who do not have an apartment, to my characters sharing one, does not really seem to be that much of an issue, IMHO...
I understand the intent and purpose of the "Gifting" rule on the server, and agree with it in theory. But with all theories, there are exceptions to the rule, and when there is really nothing gained or lost in doing so, it seems that that would be a case for an exception.
Just my .02....
Mon, 2011-10-03 11:32
#29
You are correct, there is no game mechanical value in owning an apartment or house.
The roleplay value for character development is invaluable though.
If you share your own home with your own characters that never meet each other, what value does a shared apartment have?
Why not share it with real other players? Ask to be a sublessee and have the land lord or lady coerce your character to provide sexual favors and all the other evil but fun stuff to play.
The roleplay value for character development is invaluable though.
If you share your own home with your own characters that never meet each other, what value does a shared apartment have?
Why not share it with real other players? Ask to be a sublessee and have the land lord or lady coerce your character to provide sexual favors and all the other evil but fun stuff to play.
Mon, 2011-10-03 19:34
#30
shairin wrote:
You are correct, there is no game mechanical value in owning an apartment or house.
The roleplay value for character development is invaluable though.
If you share your own home with your own characters that never meet each other, what value does a shared apartment have?
Why not share it with real other players? Ask to be a sublessee and have the land lord or lady coerce your character to provide sexual favors and all the other evil but fun stuff to play.
True, but having been forced to have roomates for so many years of my life, I found the best were those with diametrically opposed work schedules. Less likely to want to kill them.
Absolutely hated Coitus Interruptus from the ones who worked similar schedules. Mine, walking in on them with theirs, and them walking in while I was with mine.
Mon, 2011-10-03 21:58
#31
Find a player in a different time zone.
And yes, it's so much easier if they come home when you sleep making noise and you make noise getting up when they sleep.
And yes, it's so much easier if they come home when you sleep making noise and you make noise getting up when they sleep.
Wed, 2011-10-05 17:14
#32
I read all this about the indexes and the sample, but i am still totally confused. Sorry.
I would still like to see only one house per person, based on nwn2 serial number. That way more homes can be owned by others.
I would still like to see only one house per person, based on nwn2 serial number. That way more homes can be owned by others.
Thu, 2011-10-06 04:34
#33
The Ice Princess wrote:
I read all this about the indexes and the sample, but i am still totally confused. Sorry.
I would still like to see only one house per person, based on nwn2 serial number. That way more homes can be owned by others.
Ok, so, everyone is bidding now. The current bid, for example is at 90,000 gold. If that bid wins, the winner gets to pick any apartment/house they want as long as they can afford it. And this is where the index comes into play.
The winner, in this case, pays 90,000 multiplied by whatever the index is of the place they want. So if the index is 4 they would pay 360,000 (90,000 x 4). If the index is 100 they would have to pay 9 million (90,000 x 100).
As far as one per person, that is the current rule. Read Shairin's comment #23.
Hope this helps.
Fri, 2011-10-07 11:46
#34
Is it possible to get an estimated time for when the auction closes? I know it's Saturday, but that's a little tricky considering the timezone differences. : )
Fri, 2011-10-07 14:17
#35
It closes after the last bid.
Fri, 2011-10-07 14:27
#36
It would just be nice to know for someone like me who is 9 hours ahead of the server. >.> Thanks, anyway.
Sat, 2011-10-08 01:33
#37
Breaking News:
Two new, additional auction Rules:
§1 Selling an apartment to another person costs a transaction fee of 10%. The house price will be estimated by the last winning index price. This is a player to player transaction and can be done any time. It's not tied to the weekly auction.
§2 Existing home owners can turn their old apartment in as part of the payment. They will just pay the difference of the index plus a 10% fee for the handling of the old apartment.
Example: you have index 4 apartment, win with 120k/index. Then you buy an index 8 house. This costs (8-4) * 120k = 480k. Now plus the 10% fee of 4 * 120k / 10 = 48k. That adds up to 528k
If you buy the apartment directly: 8 * 120k = 960k. And sell the other one to a player: 4 * 120k - 10% = 432k. Then that's a difference of 528k.
Two new, additional auction Rules:
§1 Selling an apartment to another person costs a transaction fee of 10%. The house price will be estimated by the last winning index price. This is a player to player transaction and can be done any time. It's not tied to the weekly auction.
§2 Existing home owners can turn their old apartment in as part of the payment. They will just pay the difference of the index plus a 10% fee for the handling of the old apartment.
Example: you have index 4 apartment, win with 120k/index. Then you buy an index 8 house. This costs (8-4) * 120k = 480k. Now plus the 10% fee of 4 * 120k / 10 = 48k. That adds up to 528k
If you buy the apartment directly: 8 * 120k = 960k. And sell the other one to a player: 4 * 120k - 10% = 432k. Then that's a difference of 528k.
Mon, 2011-10-17 06:35
#38
Daft Question but is the Haven Real Estate List totally up to date with who owns what and thus what can now be bid on?
I know you said you planned to edit it if people hadn't shown themselves to have logged in, in a set period so wondered if you'd had chance to do that yet!
Thanks!
I know you said you planned to edit it if people hadn't shown themselves to have logged in, in a set period so wondered if you'd had chance to do that yet!
Thanks!
Mon, 2011-10-17 10:40
#39
I did, but as long as so many places are free. I decided not to kick the "lesser gone" players yet.
Mon, 2011-10-17 11:10
#40
Ah, KK. Thanks!
Thu, 2011-10-27 13:01
#41
Sorry to join in so late, but I was wondering about the indexes. Do you have a list of how many apartments are available at each index? Say if I bid 10,000 thinking I could avoid a 15 index house, only to find out there were only 40 index house left, then the auction would be wasted.
What is the highest index anyway? Bassed on your earlier post, i.e. 1 for fire, 1 for bath, 1 for kitchen, etc. I was trying to figure out what would constitute a 100 index. Does it come wiht a pool, live in slaves, a pet dragon? Just curious.
What is the highest index anyway? Bassed on your earlier post, i.e. 1 for fire, 1 for bath, 1 for kitchen, etc. I was trying to figure out what would constitute a 100 index. Does it come wiht a pool, live in slaves, a pet dragon? Just curious.
Sat, 2011-10-29 02:39
#42
In the first post of this thread, on the second line you will find this sentence with URL:
The main part of the index is really just the size. How much area space and how many rooms.
Quote:
On this page you find a list of all apartments and houses: http://nwnhaven.com/wiki/haven-real-estate
The main part of the index is really just the size. How much area space and how many rooms.
Mon, 2011-10-31 13:13
#43
Can't believe I missed that link the first time. Second line of the first post is very had to miss, but I am a master at the hard to do.
Mon, 2011-12-26 03:16
#44
New look for the Haven Real Estate page!
Those that are "grey" are about to lose their apartments. Please check if anyone is wrongly listed.
I will not remove those who are grey but the apartments will be available if someone wants to buy them. Just ask me.
Those that are "grey" are about to lose their apartments. Please check if anyone is wrongly listed.
I will not remove those who are grey but the apartments will be available if someone wants to buy them. Just ask me.
Wed, 2011-12-28 09:50
#45
why is my apartment grey, i just bought it like 2 weeks ago! (crystal dimon)
Thu, 2011-12-29 07:17
#46
it's not "grey" like grey but the normal text color this "this"
Mon, 2012-01-02 12:11
#47
So if I have this correct; A person wanting a one unit apartment has to bid against people wanting houses or three plus unit apartments?
so if I want a one unit place, I must wait how many months before those auctions start please?
Or will you even auction those one units?
This is abit confusing sorry for all the questions.
Ven
so if I want a one unit place, I must wait how many months before those auctions start please?
Or will you even auction those one units?
This is abit confusing sorry for all the questions.
Ven
Mon, 2012-01-02 13:34
#48
All apartments are auctioned all the time. You bid on the index price.
If you bid 20k, you can buy the following:
- Apartment Black Pearl 1 => Index 18 = 360k
- Apartment End of the World 2a => Index 1 = 20k
- House Sailor's Narrow 5 => Index 156 = 3120k
These are just examples. You simply multiply the index with what you bid.
If you bid 20k, you can buy the following:
- Apartment Black Pearl 1 => Index 18 = 360k
- Apartment End of the World 2a => Index 1 = 20k
- House Sailor's Narrow 5 => Index 156 = 3120k
These are just examples. You simply multiply the index with what you bid.
Mon, 2012-01-02 15:23
#49
Keep in mind the more the price is pushed up, the more these people will have to pay, and thus will likely have to downsize or bow out.
Sun, 2012-01-15 10:03
#50
shairin wrote:
All apartments are auctioned all the time. You bid on the index price.
If you bid 20k, you can buy the following:
- Apartment Black Pearl 1 => Index 18 = 360k
- Apartment End of the World 2a => Index 1 = 20k
- House Sailor's Narrow 5 => Index 156 = 3120k
These are just examples. You simply multiply the index with what you bid.
Hm... upon reading and trying to understand this all, I come to the query of this...
So, the tendency from what I've seen is for the wealthier folks on the server to be bidding rather hot and heavy just now on property. Which is driving up the price, so that few of the smaller flats are going or are going at rather inflated prices to people who'd rather have larger houses.
Not that I think we should go full socialist on this, but ... wouldn't it be a good idea to split the index into sections and at least then post them as such? For example things indexed at 60 and up are sold this week, next week it will be properties indexed from 1 - 10? So that some of the smaller places are available for newer players?
I mean at this rate, with the option to trade up with something you buy, people can and will fall back on smaller properties and then just keep bidding things up and using the smaller place they got to trade up. This will of course generate a lot of turn over, but not to the whole server, just between a few people.
Unless I am completely confused... which is terribly possible.
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